Walmart TIF Explained
It has been nearly two weeks since I last posted. My apologies for being late. The Thanksgiving Holiday were busy. That, and the crush of business has taken up a lot of my time.
So, I have some catching up to do . . . from my reading of the posts, it is clear that explanation called for in explaining how the TIF created by the city for Walmart works. Raytown Live is the name given to the TAX INCRMENT FINANCING District where the new Walmart Super Center is to be constructed next summer.
Call it what you will – the TIF is there for two purposes:
1. To build a new votech school for the School District.
2. To pay for the infrastructure (parking lot, buildings, etc.) for Walmart
RAYTOWN’S WALMART TIF:
Tax Increment Financing is the term given to the practice of creating a taxing district and using the tax collected to finance the commercial entity within the district. Most TIF’s are written in such a way that a 1% sales tax increase is split between the community (in this case the City of Raytown) with the other half to the development.
Raytown’s Walmart TIF does not work that way.
In the Raytown Live TIF District most of the sales tax dollars collected will go to pay for the building of the new votech school and the new Walmart.
That sales tax revenue collected includes the city’s regular 1% sales tax, the Fire District’s ½% sales tax and the special transportation sales tax voters recently approved to pay for street overlay.
To appreciate the enormity of the bite the TIF district is taking out the city’s sales tax one need only look to the sales tax revenue collected by the current Walmart Store located at 67th and Blue Ridge Cutoff.
That location collects 12% of the city’s sales tax dollars.
The difference between the old Walmart and the one to be built on 350 Highway is that the 12% collected at the current location goes directly to the city’s coffers. The sales tax at the new location will not go to the city, but to pay off the debt of the infrastructure costs of the school district and Walmart.
Since the new Walmart will be larger and have a grocery store it will create more than 12% of the city’s sales tax revenue. Some place the additional sales tax as capable of creating up to 18% of the city’s sales tax revenue.
The point is, the amount will be greater than the current 12% -- whatever that figure is, it represents money that will not be available to maintain our streets, remove snow, pay police, etc.
Raytown’s TIF is also unique in another way. It has the full faith of the city behind it.
That means that if the new Walmart does not meet the anticipated income levels to pay off the debt, the city is obligated to pay the debt for Walmart.
The majority of the city’s fathers are betting that other development will take place in property adjacent to the new Walmart to make up the difference created by the debt service. Time will tell whether or not that scheme is successful.
In the meantime, look for tight city budgets in the near future.
STREETLIGHTS – THE LAST WORD
Back in October, the Board of Aldermen approved a $10,000 expenditure for new street lights in Raytown. At the meeting former City Finance Director Dan Estes opined that the $10,000 could buy about 19 new street lights.
Fortunately, Mr. Estes was wrong. At its last meeting, the Municipal Committee was told that an additional 53 lights will be installed. A spokesman for the Public Works Department said the lights should be installed by late spring.
ZIP CODES . . . AGAIN!!!
Ward 4 Alderman Pat Ertz wants Raytown to have just one zip code. Sounds innocent enough at first glance, but, as with all things, the devil is in the details. During a recent meeting of the Board of Aldermen, Ward 3 Alderman Christine White told the Board that changing the zip codes could create a hardship on businesses and individuals who have to change their stationary, billing forms, etc.
I agree with Christine. And, remember, I am in the printing business. It will cause an expensive hardship on those it affects.
It really does not matter. Having dealt with the United States Postal Service for the past 30 years, I can assure the readers that the Post Office will not change postal zip code lines to meet a city’s boundary any more than the Election Board will make state representative district lines fall along city borders.
The reason is simple and logical. Zip codes are created to help with sorting the mail. To change the zip code in the middle of a large metropolitan area would create a ripple effect throughout Kansas City of astronomical costs.
AREA CODES NEXT?
A local wit tells a story of a Raytown Reaching for Tomorrow meeting. A lot of the folks at the meeting were clamoring for one zip code for Raytown. One gentleman got up and explained that it would be difficult because Raytown is served by three zip codes (most thought it was two).
This caused quite an uproar. Until another gentleman rose to explain that the previous speaker was correct – and this speaker has credentials – he worked for the post office.
On the way out of the meeting the first speaker tapped the postman on the shoulder and whispered to him, “watch out, next week they plan to go after the area codes!”
Comments
How much more this town has to suffer? Miller is the problem Mayor. Public want action even if it is for a short term cost the city money but for a long term it may be the best decision you make. Please listen to tax payer, staff members and general employees and you will get the signal.
I really doubt that business people would print new stationary and business cards for a Zip Code change! Now if it was an Area Code Change or street name/address change, they would have to get new stationary. An Area Code change allows a time period of allowing both old or new AC to be dialed, then gives a recording directing to the new AC before finally resorting to a not in service recording. I am sure the Post Office would allow phase in time and allow use of the old Zip Code(s). I really doubt any business person would order new stationary with the new Zip until they needed new stationary.
I agree with Greg that the Post Office probably won't change a Zip because of a request, but I have seen ZIP Code changes because it suited the Post Office's needs! Do businesses in those areas have a choice? I bet they don't waste money on new stationary.
When I was sorting mail in Littleton, CO; that city had previously changed from a local street numbering system to a Denver Metro grid system with many addresses changed. In order to sort mail with old addresses, it was necessary to ask an older coworker for the translation of old to new. The old addresses continued to be used for many years (especially at Christmas). It seemed like many people use the old address until they moved or died.
I remember the old days when each city had their own Post Office but in cost cutting measures the Post Offices are consolidated with other cities. I agree with Greg that the Post Office probably won't change Zip Codes because it is requested. Actually 2 Zips would be needed because there are 2delivery stations (one on 63rd & one on Raytown Rd & 87th). Each would require a Zip plus the old Zips for the areas outside of Raytown they are serving.
I remember when the Post Office went to AMP (Area Mail Processing) with mail cancelled and processed at a central location rather than the local Post Office. When this started up, the PO promised a slot for LOCAL POSTMARK. Now, these LOCAL POSTMARK slots no longer exist or if they do, a local post mark is NOT received.
The problem with the current Zip Codes is they are branches of the Kansas City PO. I do most of my shopping on the internet. When computers "see" 64133 or 64138 they think the person lives in Kansas City. I have had to argue with customer service reps that I am NOT in Kansas City. I ordered parts from Sears and the sales tax went to KC not Raytown. There could be a large amount lost on incorrect sales tax reporting. If someone has a delivery of furniture or appliances from another part of the area, I question if Raytown gets the tax money or if it goes to KC because of the Zip?
Andy Whiteman
What it will take? More debt, more study, more expense and no result. Really sad story.
I don't mean any new faces I mean all past and still present elected officials except for maybe one or two.
They have sold Raytown's soul to the devil. What were these people
thinking? I knew Curt Wenson could sell ice to Eskimo's but this is too much. For them to think that a Wal-Mart Super Center would bring
in new businesses is laughable. If they had any business sense at
all they would know it will kill off any business around it within a ten mile radius and that pretty much takes out most of Raytown.
Think about it for a minute.....no sales tax going to the city for maybe twenty years.
Wal-Mart gets a free building, gets to keep sales tax money, money that should go to the city and at the same time put almost every other business in
town out of business. That means very little sales tax coming in for
twenty years! Way to go City Hall!
I tell you between one city employee and Wal-Mart running
business out of town, it will be a miracle if this town even survives
another twenty years.
This is NOT MOVING RAYTOWN FORWARD!
This is like a contest between Wal-Mart and the school district to see who can get the most taxpayer money in their coffers first.
I don't know if this could be stopped but if it can it should be before it's too late for this great little town. Raytown doesn't deserve this.
Our city should kick out Wal-Mart and try for a Home Depot or Lowe's
They seem to coexist with most if not all other businesses and Raytown lost it's lumber yard several years ago.
Please remember what some of these elected officials have done to this
town and show them how you feel come next election and get them the Hell out of there!
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The plain fact about fireworks is the ordinance is unenforceable! Last July, they could be heard INSIDE of City Hall at the BOA meeting! I found discharged aerial fireworks about 300 feet from the suspected source. This was the first year that I did not find discharged fireworks in my yard. I had to call the Police at 2AM because the fireworks were disturbing my dog.
An ordinance is obviously useless if it has been unenforceable for 20 years. I favor a safe and sane fireworks ordinance that allows them to go no higher than 6 feet with nothing propelled into the air. Also fireworks should be discharged by an adult or supervised by an adult!
Andy Whiteman
You make a very good point about not releasing personal information in a public venue.
I understand why you gave the P.O. Box number. At the same time, I do not really think it is proper for others to give a business address as their home address. It is misleading and skirts the issue of residency entirely.
Greg Walters
Taken from the KC Star 12/1/07:
Sargeon, 79, is a retired human-resource manager for the U.S. Postal Service and a member of the Kansas City Metropolitan Crime Commission. He also is a member of the Raytown Human Relations Commission, which in August hosted a program to showcase citizens’ readiness to embrace diversity and the rapid demographic changes in a city once notorious for racism.
“I haven’t thought of it that way, but I suppose it could be a plus, a positive,” Sargeon said about the significance of his appointment. “Raytown has had an image as regards minorities that was not the most desirable, and we’ve been working to change that image. I just want to make the community the best it could be.”
Raytown is now receiving sales tax from every retail store in town.
Out of all sales tax collected, Wal-Mart makes up 12% of collected
money.
When the new Super store opens it's doors, Raytown will cease to
collect sales tax from Wal-Mart for over twenty years.
Also when Wal-Mart's Super store opens Raytown will lose most if
not all other retail stores in town.
My question is this, when does Raytown become Kansas City?
You are absolutely correct in laying the problem with the NAACP and the Justice Dept. and City Hall is in Barb's lap. If it were not for her the city would not be obligated to let the NAACP come in whenever they want to look at the Police Dept. records. It was also our Chief of Police that help set that up. If you ever feel like that you need to see the document it is Called the Memorandum of Understanding and it is a public document voted on by the BOA and past in open session.
Barbara mouth gets her in a lot of trouble but she also has another problem as well and anyone who knows her well knows what that would be. Ask anyone who really knows her.
I do not however, feel that Mr. Sargeon should be bashed because of Barb, he had nothing to do with that problem nor should he because he is 79 years of age. I know a lot of seniors that are sharper than a most of the young people out there today and a hack of a lot more dependable. Let's give him a chance before we thrash him.
Andy Whiteman
Unfortunately people who have mortgages don't receive a bill and have NO knowledge of where their tax dollar go. I called the County and they REFUSE to mail out tax bills even if requested.
When tax elections come up for the city, school district, or fire district, people have NO knowledge how much they are already paying. Apparently an uninformed public is a more generous public at the poles!
If you can get your tax bill, look at it. 62% of my taxes go to the school district. That is outrageous. Remember it when the next school bond election comes up!
Andy Whiteman
Anonymous 12/4 10:37 has the cojones to insinuate that one of the aldermen has a "problem". SIGN YOUR NAME if you're going to make accusations like that!!! If you don't have the GUTS to put your name on that gossip and innuendo then SIT DOWN AND SHUT UP!!!
Walters, I know that you specialize in under-handed slander and gossip-mongering by uninformed, ill-tempered, misinformed and misguided dolts...but this one takes the cake.
And anonymous, offer proof. Sign your name so that we know who is slandering public officials with this malicious gossip..so that the official can sue your rear end off!
Sincerely,
Sue
Mayor didn't seem to like Mr. Walters questioning that. Too funny!!!!!!!!!
Is it just me or does anyone else see the irony in
"Stopped laughing all the way's" letter?
Saying "SIGN YOUR NAME if you are going to make accusations
like that." And "If you don't have the "GUTS" to put your name on
that gossip and innuendo then "SIT DOWN AND SHUT UP."
Now that's funny!
Here's a person that we have been telling the same thing to for months.
But a non signer telling another non signer to sign their letter is even too much for me not to laugh.
I have two points:
1) I met a lady a few years ago who worked out of her home doing HR contract service.
I was told by my contact in HR at the Post Office last year that the Post Office was outsourcing part of its HR function. Many businesses outsource HR. Whey does the cty need to remodel to create space for a high paid, tie wearing, chair warmer? City Hall is top heavy with with high paid management while the workers are paid a pittance! HR could be outsourced. Many companies also outsource payroll.
2) Our new Alderman, Mr. Sarqeon, was an HR person. We could use his experience to resolve this issue.
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At the BOA meeting Mr. Miller made the statement that staff has written the job description for the HR position and was NOT asking the Board. The job description was included as an FYI. Maybe I am wrong, but I thought that staff received direction from the BOA. Who is the boss? In my opinion, the board needs to take controll of staff.
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Andy Whiteman
taken in front of Fox's Drug Store in 1943. The girl on the left is my aunt, and they had bicycled from 33rd and Chrysler. I believe that the point of the photo was to prove that they'd made it that far.
Did anybody know that they used to sell gasoline in front of Fox's Drugs? It almost appears that the west wing of the building is a separate automotive business, but other than the Delco sign, there isn't any signage. This makes me think that it might have all been part of Fox's.
Regards,
-Don Erickson
Anonymous 5:13PM, Obviously I am not Barb Schlapia but I think that when comments are made like that, they should be supported by fact. I take the same stand no matter who the comments are about. By the way, the original writer was proved wrong at the last BOA meeting where Barb made a comment supporting Mr. Sargeon.
Andy Whiteman
And we need a salt barn - why?
Barb tells people that she is on the city council because it is her passion. What's funny she does not listen to the majority of the people in her ward or the majority of the people in this city. If you have a passion about something you want to do what is the right thing for the everyone not just what you want. She has forgotten what we elected her for, as has some of the others who are on the board. What is sad our votes are wasted on people like her. From what I see going on at city hall when I watch the meetings I'm embarrassed to know I voted for her and I will not be doing it again. I probably will be working against her if I am asked.
I'm glad that people enjoyed looking at it; Nobody has yet been given a copy of it. The photo was a 3.5 x 5 in an old scrapbook, my Aunt pointed out that she was holding a camera in her right hand, which I hadn't noticed.
I intend to make a few copies to distribute to the few interested parties, but have not yet done so.
Thsnks,
Andy Whiteman
The photo is amazing. It is also a reminder to me of the time the Board of Aldermen had to pay extra money to have an underground fuel tank on 63rd Street.
It was about 15 years ago. The city was "rebuilding" 63rd Street between Raytown Road and Blue Ridge Boulevard. New curbs, new surface, the works.
Our Public Works Director at the time (Gene Yeokum) came to the Board to explain that in taking up the street they had discoverd what appeared to be an old fuel tank.
No one could remember where it came from, so, the city payed to have it removed.
It is interesting to learn now that there were gas pumps at Fox's Drug way back when.
If memory serves me correctly it cost the City nearly ten grand to remove the tanks and have the ground tested for pollutants -- fortunately, whatever fuel that was in them had not leached into the surrounding soil.
Makes you wonder if anyone knew about the ownership of the tanks when they were being removed.
By the way, that photograph is a classic. Thanks for sharing it.
I'm not sure what kind of camera was used, but the fall-off toward the edges is pronounced. It would be interesting to see more old photos, the Raytown Historical Society has a massive collection and it is well worth the time to stop in and spend an hour or two. As Raytown is in transition these days, it might be more important than ever to review it's history.
$17,000,000.00 surplus.
Anybody up for voting for more school taxes?
Can some city official or school official explain this
to us?
If it is true.
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Those old Brownies were good cameras. My mother had one. Today is Pearl Harbor Day. I received an email of Pearl Harbor photos taken on a Brownie camera and left in the camera until recently. (I don't know when recently is relative to the time of the original email.) I am not going to post them here since they aren't relevant to Raytown and I don't have them hosted on a website so they can't be posted. If anyone wants to send me their email address, I will forward them.
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With a $17M surplus, the school district should cut taxes until a good part of it is exhausted. As others have said, it sounds like an audit is needed.
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Mr. Miller started the newsletter which I felt was a good idea because the city is really poor in making public notice of anything.
Now $20,000 disappeared and there was no money for the newsletter but previously $10,000 appeared which could fund street lights.
Why is money suddenly being found and other money suddenly is lost? Again, it sounds like an audit is desparately needed. To me this amount of money is NOT trivial.
Andy Whiteman
My Tax Bill tells a different story.
The $17M may be a reserve fund for the school district, but it seems like an excessive amount considering we are being overtaxed! I might say $500,000 is a reserve fund. This should take care of any normal emergency. If something happens to a building like fire or storm, it should be covered by insurance.
I feel the same about the schools as the city: CUT THE PAY OF THE TOP MANAGEMENT TO A REASONABLE LEVEL
Andy Whiteman
$500,000 in a reserve fund is nothing. I'm not here to defend the school district's $17 million in reserve...but the annual budget last time I looked (and that was at least five years ago) was roughly $8,000 per student ... or $64 million annually. That's a lot of money. But one has to figure in the costs of equipment, buildings, teachers, etc. etc. If my math is correct, the reserve of $17 million is about 19%. Most governmental agencies shoot for 15-17%...but I'm talking about what I knew about when I was still in the newspaper business.
In the city hall meeting the other night it was reported that the city reserve fund is down to about $1.2 million. That's about 7 to 9%. That's pretty poor by traditional standards.
Personally, I keep a reserve for house payment, expected expenses, and whatever emergencies may pop up. So now I can understand the reserve. I guess they way to look at it is this is the end of the year and it has to last them until the taxes come in in January and April.
Andy Whiteman
For those who don't understand my terminology, fascist fief refers to the way city government is run along with the Code gestapo.
Andy Whiteman
What happened to Ms Laughing? and several Anonymous coppiers, my Post is mailed to me weekly so I get it in good condition. The Tribune doesn't leave me one but they litter many driveways with their paper. The last one they left me was in the gutter. I called them and told them I would call the Codes Dept. if they can't deliver properly.
Thanks for the news about the Red Star. I argue with them every year to get about $30 cut off the price. They don't publish the content I want (night time TV listings) and the recent holiday/Sunday papers were stuffed with so many ads they should be delivering the paper free as an advertisement. The problem with the KC Red Star is they are the ONLY daily paper. I lived in Albuquerque and Denver. At the time both had 2 dailys and the subscription was really reasonable. I like the local Raytown Post and Tribue for local news. The Red Star is a big city paper and they can't possibly give good Raytown coverage even with a Wednesday suplement.
Andy Whiteman
Anonymous 5:45 AM, I think every city shoud have 2 papers so that people have a choice as well as competition keping the price down. San Diego went to 1 paper and prices went up many years ago. Denver combined their 2 papers into one with weekend editions alternating between the 2. I don't know about price since I am no longer there.
The FCC shoukld not allow a newspaper to buy another to create a one newspaper city just like the regulate TV and radio.
The KC Red Star is FREE for my neighbor. After I am finished I give it to her and then she takes it to be recycled.
It might put a dent in the Star's income and help out the elderly or retired if people would share their paper. Just a suggestion.
Andy Whiteman